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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 5, 2010 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

Wow. You must be Tito's cousin.

I respect your opinion, but the more I read, the less I understand your presence here at LMA GD Forum.

Should your DeadHeadedness suddenly enlarge, the Brotherhood of Huge Deadheads(BOHDH) welcomes you. If you experience a Huge Deadhead for more than 4 hours, contact your physician.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 5, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

It's becoming clear that if you don't have a blind allegiance to all things Grateful Dead people are going to have a problem with your opinion.I'm here because I enjoy listening to and discussing their music,how I feel about is immaterial.I have been around the deadhead scene since 77' and althea told me seems to be a good example of your average deadhead and if that's how it is count me out.I did think your post was funny though.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

Hey jerlou--I appreciate the "critical element", and sometimes don't get the "love em or leave em" response it sometimes engenders (it's the whole "unexamined life ain't worth living" writ small I suppose for me). So, critiques are always welcome in my book.

The only comment I would take issue with is the % ("80%, 10%, etc.").

That may be true over the last 25 yrs of the run, but if you just take one year, like "mine", 68, they were too consistent (tedious would also be a possibility) so that the ave show had the same set list, and roughly same intensity, same energy, etc., etc. I just don't see enough variation in how they played to tease apart that there could be one night in which they are as good as it gets, and the next night they are trash.

That is a common notion for the boys, though: "they could be GREAT, and they could SUCK!", but I largely think careful analysis of particular stretches debunks it...they were generally the same, largley (I understand you could split hairs, but not across the continuum you articulated).

Anyhow, that's what I have come to think about them...another miniera would be Jan thru May 69: those shows, having practiced so diligently for Fillmore, are largely the same...some nights somebody's voice is a bit off, but the playing is largely similar night in and night out...it's only when they change an approach to a song that you get big variations, and certainly DS could show that, as could StSt (take Jun 68 vs Fall 68 vs Spring 69, but within those little periods, the StSt's are all the same, generally).

Just my take on the "Great! and Bad!" over-generaliztion, BUT again, only for a few yrs (68-71).

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 5, 2010 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right


My wife is with Jerv on the 80% mediocre to awful . . . she might even bump it up to 93 or 94%

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2010 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

Oh yeah...I know quite a few that just don't get it...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 5, 2010 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

W.T.,the % references I made were about the time period from Keith's 1st show through 1979,all your points about the 60's are well taken and understood.I appreciate your place here on the forum as a force for open discussion and generally getting what it is this place is about.I don't post things to ruffle anyone's feathers,but I see now that every time I don't post in a "kind" robotic deadhead worshipping fashion,I'm going to have to spend my time defending my outlook with narrow minded or stupid people.It's a shame because like yourself there are many intelligent,funny and nice people here to interact with but there not the problem,so I'm back to lurking.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2010 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff was right

Cool; hang in there kiddo (as always, just assuming; a good critical eye/ear is always welcome!).